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ninamazing: Black-and-white close up of Cosima from Orphan Black smoking. (not in the mood for this today)
I am brain-dead after staying up all night writing, and we're apparently not leaving yet for the final cleanout/scrubdown of my apartment, so you get more on last night's BSG. This is flailing, but it is dignified flailing! There is even a poll!

[Poll #1357117]

Also:

1. How NOT to Respond to an Overwhelmingly Sweet Gesture of Friendship and Loyalty That Took a Lot of Effort: what Kara did at the beginning of this episode.

2. Were the Chief's parents first cousins who were also really gullible?

Just kidding.

(BUT SERIOUSLY. I KNOW WE WERE ALL, OHYEAH, THE CHIEF AND BOOMER, THAT WAS HOT, AND IT WAS, BUT SHE SHOT ADAMA AND THEN SHE KILLED A BUNCH OF SIXES AND EIGHTS. AND TWOS OR WHATEVER. AND THEN SHE PLOPS ELLEN TIGH IN A RAPTOR AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOWER HER WITH REDEMPTION? Has Boomer ever not thought about herself ever? Boomer is like a cross between Regina George and Hitler.)

(And Chief, GET OVER IT. JESUS CHRIST. I know how it is when there's a small dating pool, really I do, but that doesn't mean I beat up innocent people and break the law. As Patrick Verona once said, "What is it with this chick? She have beer-flavored nipples or something?")

3. Can Danny Strong guest star next week so he can take Athena out for coffee and fix this? "Athena, I don't think you're angry with Boomer. I think you're angry with your husband."

(I just want to get Athena really drunk and then cuddle her while we watch Legally Blonde. Or, you know, something that won't remind her so much of Six.)

4. BSG writers, you owe me a dozen of these because I trusted you not to waste my time with lameness. AND THEN YOU DID. FAIL EPIC FAIL.

Comments

[identity profile] roz-mcclure.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 08:14 pm (UTC)
Wasn't there some interview where Ron Moore and B. Thompson were all, "yeah, uh, so we do most of our plotting at the bar, :D?" Because that definitely explains SO MUCH.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
Ahaha, I think so. AND YEAH IT TOTALLY DOES.

But I still expected more from them than this. :/ So unnecessary!
[identity profile] tent-wench.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC)
I am brain-dead after staying up all night writing

How glad am I that I am not the only one who does this! *yawn*
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
YOU ARE SO NOT. ♥
[identity profile] noblealice.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
Pish, Tahmoh could NEVER hate you. He likes your outfit!
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 1st, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
♥ ♥

I am just about to do the Final Stretch on finishing my Clarion apps and I was feeling nasty, but your comments made me feel like myself again. :D Thank you.
[identity profile] davidglasser.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 01:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I've gone back and forth about this a bit in the past day since watching it, between "the show creators are idiots who didn't think this through" (the part in (I think it was) Bear's blog where they mention this certainly makes this likely) and "well, OK, Helo is not as perfect as he seems, and really was just being a horny guy not thinking about anything but getting off".

But if you really really want to keep your respect for both Helo and the show (and I do!) I do think you can make a decent argument for it not being his fault. It's already been established that other 8s looked at Athena's downloaded consciousness, became Helo fangirls, and copied things like the backrub from it. And Boomer was definitely still on the baseship when Athena got downloaded.

What else do we know about Boomer? She's super-obsessive with the concept of being happy and together, and super-jealous of Athena for actually getting that chance. She's incredibly attentive to details... see the "Boomer/Tyrol Happy Place" projection. And she can project very strongly.

It's totally within belief that Boomer has been spending a huge chunk of the last several months living and reliving Athena/Helo sex memories. If some random 8 can get a backrub to be recognizably an Athena Backrub[TM], an 8 as talented and obsessive as Boomer can surely emulate something as complex as sex. (And don't forget that Athena has always been somewhat connected to Boomer (perhaps more so than other 8s): when she was first introduced, Athena had all of Boomer's memories up to the point of the attack on the colonies.)

Add on to the obsessively-practiced Athena-Sex the fact that Boomer is strong at projection... perhaps she literally just projected a past sexual session, moan for moan, at Helo. (Humans can receive projection, or at least Baltar can.) Pull out the "memories of Athena having sex with Helo" data file, press play...

So yeah, it might not quite pass Occam's Razor. But I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that Helo had no chance to tell the difference.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 4th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
Okay, I would just like to thank you so much for this comment. Because IT MADE ME FEEL SO MUCH BETTER. Also, I rewatched "The Hub" while thinking about what you said (obsessive? pathetic? ME?! never!!), and it does fit. What happened in "The Hub" was a lot more subtle and deftly done exploration of the TOTAL WEIRDNESS of your wife having a million identical twins, some of whom are fangirls for you, and I wish they had kept it at that and not done the Simplistic American TV Version of that dilemma last Friday ... but I can't have everything.

What else do we know about Boomer? She's super-obsessive with the concept of being happy and together, and super-jealous of Athena for actually getting that chance. She's incredibly attentive to details... see the "Boomer/Tyrol Happy Place" projection. And she can project very strongly.

Very very true.

One thing that bothered me was that the Chief pointed out Boomer in about ten seconds — but the Chief is a Cylon, of course! (Has he ever had trouble differentiating before? Because that would take us back to square one ...) I forgot that. And Athena is a Cylon too, so there's certainly an argument to be made for Special Cylon Powers, too.

Okay, Helo. I forgive you. I just hope Athena can. (And it's not even an issue of forgiveness, actually — even if I were Athena and recognized that it was totally not his fault, it would still squick me to the point where I probably couldn't have real sex or intimacy with him again. At least for a long while. AUGH. I am really really hoping we get some kind of "those two crazy kids work it out" scene this week, but of course there is NO TIME because there are only three episodes in and there is all this IMPORTANT STUFF we have to get to. Maybe I will pay Grace and Tahmoh to fly down here and do it for me.)

Thank you for helping my brain! :D
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[personal profile] volantwish wrote:
Mar. 3rd, 2009 12:48 am (UTC)
I just finished watching the episode (I came back to read your spoilers) and I was thinking about this in the shower between then and now. (The joys of dating a twin?) I'm thinking it would probably be harder to spot a Cylon copy than a human twin. Butstill. Chief recognized that it was Boomer coming off the raptor immediately. Is Helo not as into Athena as Chief is into Boomer? I doubt it. I was thinking maybe it's a Cylon in-group/out-group thing, and Chief's better at telling the 8's apart because he's a Cylon, too.

To Boomer's credit, I don't think she was planning on sexxing up Helo. She seemed to hesitate a little before realizing that if she wanted to pull off her shenanigans, she'd have to play along.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 4th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
I was thinking maybe it's a Cylon in-group/out-group thing, and Chief's better at telling the 8's apart because he's a Cylon, too.

I'M GOING WITH THAT. Because otherwise I just color with rage. Helo is so into Athena! And should definitely be able to recognize her look, taste, feel, etc. after a four(five?)-year love affair and two-year marriage. COME THE FUCK ON. IT'S ALL IN MY FIC. Like, people cut themselves, and do different things with their hair, and have different skin blemishes, and stuff! EVEN IF THEY ARE CYLON COPIES.

To Boomer's credit, I don't think she was planning on sexxing up Helo.

Certainly not, but see, to me, THAT JUST MAKES ME ANGRIER AT HER. It's adding insult to injury! Because she was all "*shrug* oh, why not?" about having sex with Helo, whereas in my mind, SEX WITH HELO IS LIKE AN AMAZING GIFT, OKAY. It makes it even worse that she treats his love and intimacy like an added perk of her evil plot for today. It is utterly taking advantage — steamrollering right through a marriage, and turning beautiful connection between two people into cheap, whimsical recreation — and adds a lot to my "Boomer is a dirty rapist" argument.

It could be read a few different ways, I suppose, but: Is there any reason she didn't knock Helo out? I know he's big, but she's a Cylon with sooper-strength, and she certainly knows his weak points if she's got all of Athena's intimate memories.

OH, BOOMER. D:

DON'T PANIC

We celebrate peace. Yet we pay no attention to the ways of curing aggression in human beings. And when one sees in psychoanalysis hostility disappearing as people conquer their fears, one wonders if the cure is not there.
The Diary of Anaïs Nin; August, 1945

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