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ninamazing: Helo from BSG showing off those arms. Bright orange background, text "Steve Holt!" à la Arrested Development. (steve holt!)
Before we begin, I just discovered this November 2008 audio interview with Joss Whedon at Mother Jones, and it has me making GRABBY HANDS at my screen. I'm sorry, I am just not capable of not loving this man. (If you are more ninja than me and can figure out how to save/download this audio file, please tell me! I will be grateful! ♥!)

INTERVIEWER
... That leads in, sort of, to the election. You know, people have been asking, whom do you think has suffered more, the black man or the white woman?

JOSS
I'm gonna go with the black woman. Transgendered Asians! ... No, but you don't qualify that, because it's beside the point ...

Also: OMG JOSS CAN HOLD HIS TEQUILA. Props, Joss! I do not do tequila. (P.S. OMG he just made a Godfather reference. *falls over* He likes all this classical film student stuff, yet somehow what he took from it was "NEEDS MOAR WOMEN." That's what makes him able to straddle both worlds. Also I loff him and his adorable, thoughtful, imaginative self.)



If some of these pictures don't load the first time, try reloading. It is LiveJournal's fault, because they all load for me. And yes, there are a lot of them! I mean, under 50, and they are small, but. LISTEN THERE WAS PRETTY CINEMATOGRAPHY. AND PRETTY DRESSES. AND PRETTY TAHMOH.


you're a superstar everyone knows who you are

First of all, I would like to say that "Superstar" is now stuck in my head and, well, I'm not sure I like it.

But second of all, I freaking love this commentary on pop music: Of course she is wearing little more than a few strings of charm bracelets. Of course she spends the first part of the song DANCING IN A CAGE. THAT IS HOW RIDICULOUSLY, VULGARLY, DESPERATELY, UN-IMAGINATIVELY SEXUAL IT ALL IS.

Ahem.


BACKUP SINGERS: "Laaaaa!"

These backup dancers are dressed pretty conservatively; and then somehow when Eliza becomes one they are all slutty. (I use "slutty" here in a positive way. "Some of my favorite people are sluts!" as Lew Ashby would say.) Every time Eliza goes slutty I just remember the Gaspalicious Outrage at how all the promo pictures were like her naked (really? outrage? have you seen those car ads with women draped on them in "dead" makeup? or any other ads ever?) and Joss said something about "Eliza's very comfortable with her body." And I was like "... YOU DON'T SAY." I'd be comfortable with my body too if I looked like that!

All this Outrage is driving me crazy, too, because Joss said that Dollhouse is meant to sometimes look like the most twisted misogynistic fantasy. BECAUSE THAT'S THE STORY, DUH: HOW THERE ARE REALLY, REALLY TWISTED MISOGYNISTIC FANTASIES AND THEY'RE NOT AS FAR AWAY FROM YOU AS YOU THINK. Weren't you all sitting in my lap at Comic-Con? Didn't you hear that while Joss was explaining it (to me, personally, looking in my eyes and everything)?

Except I was standing, so, you couldn't have been in my lap ... listen, let's just move on.


I love how they both just completely lose interest in the conversation. It's like there's a built-in time limit on emotion. Love it.


Harry Lennix welcomes us to the gun show.

OH MY GOD WE GOT BOYD'S SHIRT OFF IN THE THIRD EPISODE. THIS IS AMAZING. CHECK HIM OUT!!!! CHECK HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!

Okay, life's no fun if you're not a teenager sometimes.


DR. SAUNDERS: "But do keep a close eye. Someone is watching."
BOYD: "Baby — this is not my first time. I got this."


ELLIE: OMG FOOTSTEPS

I knew this was coming, but it is still dreadful. WHY DOES SHE WAIT BY THE DOOR OF HER APARTMENT LISTENING FOR FOOTSTEPS IN THE HALLWAY IN CASE IT'S PAUL? Listen, you all know how I feel about Tahmoh (AND Paul!), but I would neeeever do that. (If he wants my lasagna, he can ask for it.) And since I am currently the world's most pathetic person when it comes to Tahmoh (and Paul), I am calling BULLSHIT on that characterization. If she is not a Doll — or something else weird where she is not a whole person — um, I think I am going to have to start talking nasty about Joss like all the haters.

Seriously. This is pathetic.

(P.S. Didn't he just get divorced? What kind of crazy twist would it be if SHE WERE HIS EX-WIFE and he divorced her because he was really annoyed at her following him around all the time with puppy eyes? I mean, that is unlikely, but watch how it flies intriguingly in the face of Paul's "tortured crimefighter with a golden heart" characterization!)


LUBOV: "Do you always hang out JUST inside your apartment listening for footsteps?"
ELLIE: "No, I just happened to — we're not —"

Wooow, it must have been so hard for Miracle Laurie to work subtext into that one! "WE'RE NOT — TOGETHER, OR ANYTHING. I MEAN I INVITED HIM TO THE SADIE HAWKINS DANCE BUT IT'S TOTALLY HIS CALL." Way to let a complete stranger and probable criminal know your Achilles heart right off the bat. SHE IS A GROWN WOMAN, supposedly; why is she acting like the most innocent kindergartener ever with a giant unshakable crush? I hate this line like burning because NO ONE IN REAL LIFE WOULD EVER ACTUALLY SAY IT. Take it from me, Awkward McNerdGirl — even at our lowest we have more self-respect than this.

But I love this shot.


ADELLE: "These are my gloriously adorned boobs! AND YOU CANNOT HAVE THEM! Ha."

GRATUITOUS HOT ADELLE PICTURE BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANT HER CLOTHES! Except for those tassels. She should definitely lose the tassels.

If my giant HD television monitor didn't pick up the change in lighting, whose did?


As promised: ELIZA SINGS.

So why is someone who's auditioning to be a backup singer trying to out-voice the star? What was that bit during "all we need"? (Can someone who's actually a singer help me out here?) What was that, dude?

"WHY ISN'T SHE WORKING YET?!" ♥

Eliza is adorable and yet is overacting. Or underacting. Or something, but it's freaking killing me.


Topher may be evil, but he's got the best socks on the show hands-down. You may click for enlargement. (THEY ARE ARGYLE. I WANT TO GO SHOPPING WITH TOPHER.)


TOPHER: "You're gonna get married and have SCOWLY BABIES! What an excellent opportunity for my SCOWLY BABY FACE."

Do Maurissa Tancharoen & Jed Whedon watch Pushing Daisies? Because I REALLY want to believe that this is a shout-out to "You LOVE secrets! You want to MARRY secrets and half little half-secret half-human babies!"

Which was a completely brilliant line.

(GIVE US THE LAST 3 GODDAMN EPISODES ALREADY, ABC. I AM MAD ENOUGH AT YOU ALREADY FOR LOSING MY LEE AND MY BRYAN THEIR SPECTACULAR SHOW. DON'T MAKE THIS WORSE.)


RAYNA: "SOMEONE is EATING A MINT and I CAN'T BREATHE!"

Okay, this moment was hilarious, probably because playing Bitch is the absolute rockingest role ever (I am not an actress, but I know at least Grace "It's fun to play a Cylon!" Park will back me up on that), but I would just like to say that it is basically the only point in the show when she actually came off as the vapid meanie she was supposed to be. Her manager, Boyd, and even her programmed-BFF Echo all wasted no time insulting her ... but I really didn't see anything to warrant that kind of speedy harsh judgment. Whatever flaws she had were built in by her circumstances — maybe if her manager, clearly the biggest person in her life, didn't manipulate her, make jokes about killing her, and backhand her in the face, she'd be sweet as a button.


Eliza Dushku: Hotter than me since 1980.

This episode put me to shame. ALL THESE WOMEN HAVE SIX-PACKS. I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH MY ABS IN LIKE TWO WEEKS. *shame* *shame* *more shame*


NINA'S INNER MONOLOGUE: omg are we actually going to see Eliza's boobs OMG ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE ELIZA'S BOOBS?!

I am simple. If only the FCC would lighten up; then FOX could actually show stuff like Eliza's boobs (she would be okay with it; she is "very comfortable with her body," remember!), which would probably get them all these ratings-from-stupid-people they are looking for, and then they could spend the capital earned from THAT on actually having storytelling and not airing things out of order and demanding new pilots at a moment's notice and ... oh, I don't know, things of that variety.

Apparently the soapbox "OFF" switch is broken.


I get incredibly excited every time we have these wide shots, because (1) it totally reminds me of Angel and (b) IT IS A CLUE THAT A PAUL BALLARD SCENE IS COMING UP. PAUL BALLARD!


Dear Enver Gjokaj and your cheesy Russian-gangsta accent, I love you. Nay, adore you.

TAHMOH GOT A DEEP MONOLOGUE ABOUT HOW THE HUMAN RACE IS DOOMED BECAUSE ALL WE DO IT WITH ADVANCEMENT IS USE IT FOR EVIL BECAUSE OF OUR NATURAL AWFULNESS, ETC.

It possibly would have been a lot less self-insistent ("it insists upon itself, Lois — it insists upon itself") without the Solemn Thinky Moment incidental music starting up as Tahmoh looks down and takes a deeeeep breath, but, listen, the important thing is that Tahmoh got a Deep Monologue and we enjoyed it. Because of his Yukony bear voice, and that jawline. ♥

(It is also maybe completely upstaged by "Yeah, people are mostly crap. I don't think there's a Dollhouse." Can he cram complex issues into a nutshell, or what?)

Oh, while I'm on the subject, if anybody wants to make a Paul Ballard fanvid to Joan Jett's "Bad Reputation," I WILL SUPPORT YOU IN ANY WAY I CAN.


Why does Eliza's Boston accent sound fake even though she is a Bostonian? And why do I adore it anyway?


TOPHER: "Oh my gaaaaad, are you nervous?"

I never thought a man's voice could go up that high and I'd still be attracted to him. You learn something new every day! Also, BOYD = OBVIOUSLY GILES; the father overtones are just smoldering here. Smoldering. Yes. I wonder if a Maggie Walsh character (omg Adelle DeWitt!) will appear and accuse Boyd of being an absent father figure, and then Boyd will have a crisis of faith and grab bleached-blond James Marsters for a joyride in his old Citroën. I should get back to the rest of the recap, shouldn't I?


VICTOR: "OH HAI."

And just when I was looking at his old casting sides the other day and wondering where he'd gone!


Creepy fan is creepy! And PRETTY DRESS IS PRETTY.


Uhh, so Dichen Lachman has entered the show (you know, like with actual lines), and SHE IS A TREASURE AND A DELIGHT from start to finish.


ELIZA: "WHY IS THE WIND MACHINE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME AND ON FULL BLAST. Whatever, I look hot."


I WANT THEIR DRESSES.

And yes, I will be taking time regularly in these recaps to fangirl the costumes and/or the way Shawna Trpcic makes them both pretty and perfectly matching to the characters. DEAL WITH IT.

Now if I may also take a moment to fangirl the crap out of this next bit:










If I were an actor this would be the only kind of scene I would ever want to do. ME, looking completely hot; a gun; a flashlight; mucho chiaroscuro. I beat the shit out of a bunch of trained killers and make it look like a dance.

Annnnnnd, cut. Repeat. My show would be awesome.

Also, that fight was magnificent! It had:
- multiple points of SUSPENSE
- using someone else's body as a shield: not pretty, but sometimes it has to be done! Esp. if you are a badass.
- Bond-villain-esque threats
- LEG SWEEP
- and finally ...


... the fact that even when you beat a whole bunch of people up, the fact is they still shot you and you will totally die if you don't get to an ambulance, STAT.

Shall I count the ways in which Joss and Tahmoh have taken the concept of Mulder and executed it in a way that is 100% LESS LAME than the way it was done in The X-Files? Okay, 80%. STILL, THOUGH — should I do that, or can you just take it for granted from now on that that's happening in my head? Because it is.


RAYNA: "My music touches people, so they want to touch me back."

AHAHAHAHAHA okay most hilarious description of fandom ever. RAYNA RUSSELL FOR PRESIDENT.


ECHO: "Yo, check it. This fan mail is fo shizz up in the crazy!"

I hate to say this, because it feels racist somehow, but it really does not work for me when Eliza Dushku says things like "Damn, girl!" and "Yo, he's not a fan, he's insane." I just don't think white people are meant to do that. Just like white people are not meant to have dreadlocks. IT JUST LOOKS/SOUNDS BAD. Am I alone on this one?


Hallmark cards are for squares. Or sane people.

UGH BAD ANGEL FLASHBACKS. Is that the same handwriting? JOSS, DO YOU WRITE ALL THESE CREEPY LETTERS? LIKE THE NOTE THAT CAME WITH BUFFY'S ROSE SAYING "SOON"?

Probably not. But that would be cool.


AUDRA IS SO ADORABLE. Why can't we have her back?
(Also, even in this weird unflattering screencap I took, Jaime Lee Kirchner's midsection
is still as thin as a candy cane and her abs are still rock-hard. SOMEBODY GIVE THIS WOMAN
A SANDWICH. AND A COUCH, UPON WHICH SHE MAY BE A POTATO.)


Echo's Struggling Singer persona inexplicably has the wherewithal to disable a high-profile Head of Security!


EXPLAIN PLZ. I too am a (relatively) diminutive, hourglass-shaped female: how exactly would it be possible for me to knock the wind out of a GIANT TRAINED MUSCLEMAN in three seconds?


You should see the other guys.

Paul is shot and without his badge, apparently, so they don't know to treat him all special because he is a Federal Agent! (He should just yell "FEDERAL AGENT!" a lot like Mulder and Scully used to.) BUT: Think what a gorgeous transition that was! IT WAS SUCH A GORGEOUS TRANSITION. I AM FANGIRLING.

Also I learned the word "cyanotic" from Firefly. OMG JOSS YOUR WORK HAS ITS OWN VERNACULAR.

"I'm gonna lay some PVC." <-- You're gonna lay some WHAT?! I thought those were the giant pipes in my ceiling. WHY ARE THOSE GOING INTO PAUL? (That's what she said. OBLIGATORY OFFICE REFERENCE!)




Preventing Suicide Through Yelling and Insults: Don't Try This at Home, Kids.

Okay, I'm sorry, but this conversation was weird. I have actually had a lot of talk-someone-down-from-suicide conversations: in cases where I was the "someone," in cases where I was the person doing the talking, in cases where it was totally not series, and in cases where it was. And this was the weirdest, most disjointed one I have ever heard. I mean, I can understand why, because if I wrote down most of those real-life conversations they would probably come off as incredibly trite and cliché-filled, but ... this was just ODD. I had NO idea what they were going for, really.

Because at first I thought the point was that Rayna was really suffering, and in a bad place. And then all of a sudden Eliza/Jordan/Echo is bitching her out: "What have you got to be miserable about?" "Why don't you listen to SOMEONE ELSE for a change?" While I have seen both the "you are a selfish whore!" and the "you need help" reactions to a suicidal person, usually they don't come from the same source. PICK A SIDE, ELIZA. Do you want to help her, or yell at her?

Unfortunately, the "intervention" only gets worse from here, but I will whine about that when it happens.

"I'm everybody's fantasy. And God help me if I try not to be!" <-- Aside from thinking "OMG THAT IS JUST LIKE THE STRUGGLES BILLIE FACED AS A TEEN POPSTAR THAT I READ ABOUT IN HER AUTOBIOGRAPHY ♥" I am overwhelmed with the parallels that line has to the modern-day American woman. THANK YOU JAIME LEE KIRCHNER FOR ROCKING THIS. Maybe this will make people think! One can only hope.


ECHO: Ain't no way, bitch.

I knooooow Echo's the main character and so she's supposed to kick ass all the time, but remember when Mal didn't kick ass all the time and that was more interesting? FYI: Rayna doesn't know Echo's the main character! Rayna is the queen of every room she's in. Why is Rayna cowering from Echo? THIS IS A MYSTERY OKAY.


She even WALKS awkwardly. DICHEN LACHMAN YOU ARE A GENIUS.

And is it weird if I think the Bad Shit Happening incidental music is reminiscent of Buffy's, and I KIND OF LOVE IT?


BIZ: I think it's totally okay to just BACKHAND people!

WHAT THE HELL WAS THIS ABOUT. I am starting to think that the goal of this show is to have as many moments in it as possible that give me (and all of us) a Profound Uncomfortableness. Actually, I'm pretty sure Joss straight-out told me that was that point ... and I'm pretty sure I had a rant at the beginning of this recap about it. But. I just want to make it very clear that BACKHANDING IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. Not usually. Not often. And I also have no idea whether it is actually realistic in this context, which makes me even more uncomfortable. (Slapping is very different from backhanding. Or rather, backhanding is worse — isn't it? It is slapping plus a lack of respect.)

Also, Eliza puts him against the wall, but NOBODY YELLS! No one shakes their finger and says, "BAD business manager! BAD!" NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING. WHY IS THAT. HOW WILL VIOLENT PEOPLE / EXPLOITATIVE MEN LEARN IF WE DON'T DISCIPLINE THEM.

"Getting what you want may not be the best thing for a person." <-- That is true, Echo, but I still would have preferred a lecture on WHY BACKHANDING IS BAD, YOU MEAN BACKHANDING MAN. And also a bit of a lecture on WHY IT IS NOT ALL RAYNA'S FAULT, YOU MEAN UNABLE-TO-SEE-COMPLEXITIES-TYPE PERSON.


Adelle sees no reason to personalize her desktop background.

Okay, how big it this organization exactly? Someone should decide this. Because there are dozens of dolls, so many handlers that Boyd doesn't even know of them by last name, probably multiple jobs at once ... and yet Adelle is keeping personal tabs on Echo. I guess maybe this is a statement of her importance, because Adelle looks pretty bored otherwise. There isn't even a Minesweeper window open there.


WAY TOO CREEPY

This scene went on for FAR too long. Probably on purpose. Manufactured pop lyrics were not meant for this kind of treatment!


Dude. Hi, Echo.



TOPHER: "Okay, first of all, ow."

SPARKLY NEW XANDER, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH. Not as much as Xander. Yet. But I do love how he ballsily takes charge: I'M THE FUCKING GENIUS, ASSWIPE. A point for geniuses everywhere!


Seriously, Kids — DON'T DO THIS, EVER.

This is exactly what I was talking about. I don't think this is what friends do. Rayna's scared enough. I JUST DO NOT THINK THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH A SUICIDE THREAT.

God, I mean think if there had been an accident with the rope and she had actually died. There is a reason our parents tell us not to play rough. (Oh my God, am I a goody two-shoes? Let's continue with the recap so I can avoid that question.) (And they mean "play roughly," I'm sure.)


JORDAN: "... so, basically, nobody wants Rayna to make it to tomorrow."
AUDRA: "I do."

Respect your fans, kids. That's all I'm sayin'.

(Okay, well, I'm also saying that I love Opportune-Showing-Up Boyd.)


Is she the badassiest backup singer or what?


"I want to liiiiive!"
"I know." <-- Jesus H. Christ. Is this the kind of dialogue I can regularly expect? Because it doesn't impress me. I have only so much tolerance for lack of imagination in a show that is supposed to be highly imaginative.


SIERRA YOUR HOT BLACK BRA IS SHOWING AND IT'S HOT.

Okay, another thing that I (apparently constantly) feel compelled to mention but which you should probably take for granted in the future: TOTAL BUFFY-GILES VIBE FROM ECHO AND BOYD. AND I LIKE IT. (Also Boyd-rushes-to-scaffolding was so The Gift, wasn't it? I must be stopped.)


DR. SAUNDERS: "I'm just saying ... sometimes the best thing to hope for is 'good enough.'"

Okay, first of all, that is eerie, because my therapist is saying that to me all the time. And second of all, ♥AMY ACKER♥.


All of the hookers were long gone now.

That is some serious effing desolation. My heart is BROKEN. Even more broken than it usually is while I'm watching Tahmoh.

(And we thought BSG had cornered the market on manpain! DIDN'T WE?!)

Ellie, please stop pounding on the door. I do not think you will be able to help. Paul Ballard has already proved his immunity to Cute Girl with No Personality. I think he wants more of a Cute Girl with EVERY PERSONALITY EVER.


Not here. NOT HERE!

ECHO IS WAY MORE SELF-AWARE AND PEOPLE-SMART THAN WE THOUGHT. THIS IS EXCITING. *FANGIRLS*



The upside of me taking goddamn forever to finish this is that THE NEW EPISODE IS TONIGHT.

cheers, kiddos. :D

Comments

[identity profile] squaringkarma.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 09:18 am (UTC)
Audio is being acquired as I type.

*goes back to devouring your commentary*

Is it in your e-mail yet?

Edited 2009-03-06 09:33 am (UTC)
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥

You are my freaking hero! :D Also my guardian angel of downloadz.

I hope you liked the commentary. :)
[identity profile] squaringkarma.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
:)

I did enjoy it, I didn't quote anything b/c the comment would have been too long, heh.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:24 pm (UTC)
Awww, yay! Well, I always feel insecure making these, 'cause I enjoy doing it WAAAAY too much, so it's good to hear you like them. :D

GREAT Middleman icon. Damn I need one. :P
[identity profile] squaringkarma.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:36 pm (UTC)
I have 3 Middleman icons :P
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
YOU WIN. THE MIDDLEMAN IS AWESOME.

also omg, I am utterly in love with Wendy and Lacey.
[identity profile] squaringkarma.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
TOTES IS.

Third icon being used :P
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
HURRAAAAY!

Also AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
Wow, someone else who's actually heard of Middleman. A friend of mine out California-way introduced me to it back around Thanksgiving, but although I've watched a few eps I got put off by the weird teleporting happy smiley people episode. I should probably just skip that one and try to watch the rest, because it IS gloriously geeky fun...

... wow, whatever bug I've got is making me very stream-of-consciousness. What did you think of Friday's Dollhouse?
[identity profile] ohvienna.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 12:33 pm (UTC)
Firefox add-on --> 'DownloadHelper.' *nods* It will light up when the file is playing and give you the option to save. This thing works for YouTube videos, all sorts of business.

I'm still watching Dollhouse...Just so you know. It was because Sierra's so awesome. :)
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
OMG THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENIUS. I have been meaning to look through Firefox add-ons and update mine ... for several months now. I HAD NO IDEA I WAS MISSING OUT ON SUCH AWESOME.

Sierra was probably the best part of this episode, except for Tahmoh. :P SHE WAS AMAZING. I am glad you approve!

[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)
EXPLAIN PLZ. I too am a (relatively) diminutive, hourglass-shaped female: how exactly would it be possible for me to knock the wind out of a GIANT TRAINED MUSCLEMAN in three seconds?

Everyone's got weak points, even musclemen. Throat, solar plexus, balls, whatever. And if you're not expecting a trained assault from someone, you can get caught off guard. Just ask Ray Park (aka Darth Maul). Someone out of the blue punched him in the face in a hotel corridor because they wanted to see how truly badass he was.

Hell, just ask Harry Houdini. *wince*

By the way? Love your picrecap. Even though I'm really not quite sold on Dollhouse yet. : )
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
That is true ...

And OMG THAT IS HORRIBLE. :( Poor Ray Park. People are goddamn stupid.

YAY! THANK YOU! I feel guilty, because I am obviously having way too much fun doing them. (It's been awhile since we last spoke, but as you can tell, I am still straddling the engineer/writer-and-TV-obsessor boundary with some difficulty. :P
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
There's no such thing as having too much fun being fannish. Release your guilt! Join me and we shall rule the fandom as...

... wait, I'm paraphrasing Star Wars lines again, aren't I? *facepalm* ; )

So aside from Dollhouse, how've you been? Did you finish up at MIT?
[identity profile] rebelliousrose.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 9th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
Someone also grabbed Nathan Fillion's ass at DragonCon last year.

Nathan was....perturbed, and a mighty asshole to everyone for the rest of the night.

I don't blame him. I've also been present for three overwrought male fans rushing a men's room "because OMG, HELO'S in there!"

Fandom? I'd like to introduce you to actor personal space. Oh, and shower. But that's a PSA.
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 9th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
Well, YES, clearly. I was thinking more along the lines of internet fandom, not bumrushing and groping one's idols. Way too many people seem all too fascinated by celebrities -- "Omigawd, can I get my picture taken?" -- but I'd much rather get to know 'em as people. You know, the cool con experiences, where you actually have conversations that don't revolve around fantheories and the like but still find yourself having breakfast with an actor or writer who does work you really like.

Hell, I bumped into a favorite author of mine at a Midwest 'con one time that way. But squeeing on LJ? Totally different.

(And... wow. I'm utterly unsurprised that Nathan was perturbed. He's totally justified.)
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 12:47 pm (UTC)
Is it just me, or does Ellie look a little like Echo but with less of the OMG ridiculously gorgeous and more of the everygirl? Seriously, I keep seeing, well, echoes of Eliza's character in her.

Also, re: Reina's drop... how did she not dislocate both her shoulders with that drop the way she was tied? "I want to liiiiiiive... ow ow ow ow my shoulders now I can't lift my arms heeeeeeelp." *evil grin*
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:27 pm (UTC)
HMMM. I never thought about that before, but now I am probably going to see it. :D

I KNOW RIGHT THAT IS ANOTHER THING THEY ALWAYS DON'T DO IN TV/MOVIES. NOBODY CAN DROP LIKE THAT WITHOUT DISLOCATING SOMETHING.
[identity profile] jqsilver.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:00 pm (UTC)
I don't remember it being a backhand, but that was still kinda dumb. I'm with you on most of these up-and-down moments (although I don't watch the show with a boner like you ;) )

And I'm pretty sure being dropped like that would dislocate both your shoulders.

Have you read Y: The Last Man? I'm ambivalent about it, (mostly 'cause Bryan K. Vaughan thinks he's so clever), but I think you'd be into it. Anyways there's a bizarre suicide-intervention thing in that too, involving bondage and psychotropic drugs.

Oh, and http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/2/27/
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it was a backhand! Because at first the rant was all about slapping and then I changed it because it looked like a backhand on the rewatch. (AHAHAHA yes my clit boner for Joss Whedon, let me show you it.)

I AGREE. So does [livejournal.com profile] kurukami. Classic movies/TV fail.

OMG I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Y: THE LAST MAN. Probably because I discovered it quite late and so never really experienced Brian K. Vaughan's ego. I'm not about to read everything else he's ever written, but Y: The Last Man was a magnum opus. And PIA GUERRA FTW. But. Yeah. I actually thought that was the worst storyline of the whole thing. "You just abused me a lot! ... But it was all a lie to teach me something? Okay! Thanks! Bye!" That has only been realistically done in one comic book I've seen, and I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. :P

AND I SAW THAT. Mostly because it came with Tycho's self-righteous rant about Joss Whedon. I am not watching Dollhouse out of LOYALTY, I am watching it because JOSS WHEDON MAKES AWESOME TV.
[identity profile] lnbw.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:03 pm (UTC)
I agree about Eliza overacting/underacting/SOMETHING that is bothersome.

X-Fiiiiiiles. :( :( :(

HAHAHA I ALSO THOUGHT OF FIREFLY WHEN THEY SAID "CYANOTIC"!

ECHO IS WAY MORE SELF-AWARE AND PEOPLE-SMART THAN WE THOUGHT. THIS IS EXCITING. *FANGIRLS*

YES THAT WAS EXCITING. I was excited. Excitement!

I still haven't seen the Matt Keeslar episode, but I rolled my eyes a bit at this one, especially the lack of subtlety bits. "I AM EVERYONE'S FANTASY AND GOD HELP ME IF I TRY NOT TO BE!" Also the part where they're putting the singer into the cage and she goes, "I just want to be FREE." I'm pretty sure at that point when I was watching (with [livejournal.com profile] thunderemerald and [livejournal.com profile] supertailz), I yelled out, "FROM MY CAGE! THIS CAGE I'M IN!" Oh well. More tonight!

(Psst! Some of your pictures didn't load for me. Maybe it's just my computer but double-check the links?)

(The only problem with these long posts is that I have to start composing my comment in another window or I forget everything I'm going to say.)
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
My mom says she is too conscious of the fact that she is on TV and therefore is always hair-flipping for the camera, which ... I don't want to believe because I love Eliza, but on the other hand, Eliza gets to hang out with Tahmoh all the time and will probably date him, so YEAH, CUT THAT OUT, 'LIZA.

*coughs*

"CYANOTIC" MMMM. I LOVE OUR AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL VOCABULARY MEMORY. I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL MAKE THE HIGH FIDELITY ANALOGY BECAUSE OF YOUR JOHN CUSACK ICON. :D

Lack of subtlety goddamn bothers me. And AHAHAHAHA, I think I yelled the same thing about that cage to my sister. REALLY, Joss? But then, like, I don't know, I'm not sure I could have made it subtler. Is BSG always subtle? NO! But we forgive it because they do all that guerilla handheld camerawork and fancy editing.

(LJ photo albums suck. They all load for me! But sporadically. :( )

(Ahahaha I do that all the time. I lost my conciseness somewhere around the age of 14 after I wrote my first novel. Oops.)
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
BSG may not always be subtle, but it's usually much more subtle than Dollhouse. *grin* Speaking of which, I still need to watch Friday's ep because I was out catching Watchmen... *settles in to stream ep from Fox*
[identity profile] penmage.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:05 pm (UTC)
You know what is driving me crazy about fan reaction to this show? All the people who are all “Ugh, I’m so turned off by Whedon’s sexualization of everything, and making the pop star prance around in no clothing.”

THAT IS THE POINT, PEOPLE. WAY TO MISS THE POINT. WHY ARE YOU ALL SO DENSE?

Yes, we KNOW that the Dollhouse is really offensive and awful. THAT IS THE POINT. If you are getting offended by the fact that it is on your television screen, then THE POINT. YOU HAVE MISSED IT.

Also—damnit. I watched this episode ALMOST A WEEK AGO and now you just plopped that damn Superstar song back into my head.

Also, you left out the best part of the episode—the part at the end, where Sierra tries to smile at Echo, and Echo silences her with a nod. OOOOOH.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD, I KNOW. IT DRIVES ME BONKERS. ALSO I FEEL THAT YOUR TAHMOH ICON EXPRESSES IT PERFECTLY. SO PERFECTLY THAT I CANNOT LOOK AWAY. EVER. MMM. ♥

I am so glad you expressed that in your journal, too, btw, because AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT DOLLHOUSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT EXPLORING ALL THIS ICKY SHIT. Because when you don't explore icky shit it attacks you, or something.

And people need to watch Dollhouse so we can have a second season and Tahmoh can take his shirt off some more. (AHAHA CHECK OUT HOW I AM TOTES GLEEFULLY OBJECTIFYING AN ACTOR IN A SHOW THAT IS ABOUT HOW OBJECTIFYING IS WRONG. I GUESS THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T THE ONLY ONES MISSING THE POINT.)

I am really sorry about getting that song back in your head. Here, listen to "All Along the Watchtower" instead! :D

you left out the best part of the episode—the part at the end, where Sierra tries to smile at Echo, and Echo silences her with a nod.

I had a kind of crappy screencap of the nod, but LJ photo galleries are sporadic about working their hotlinking! Arrrgelfraster.
[identity profile] thunderemerald.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:33 pm (UTC)
Okay, how big it this organization exactly? Someone should decide this.

I don't remember who it was -- [livejournal.com profile] lnbw? Nina? Josh? But someone pointed out that there are likely 26 dolls, as so far they all have names from the NATO phonetic alphabet. Echo. Alfa. Sierra.

INTERESTING, NO?
[identity profile] lnbw.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
That was meee. :D Well, not necessarily that there are 26, but I think there was a mention of a previous Sierra? And maybe some indication of personality similarities between the models? Er... I mean, Actives are not Cylons, really.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
rofl models. Did you see that Dragon*Con video I posted where some little boy asked Tahmoh if Dolls were like Cylons? And Tahmoh gave him a really thoughtful answer while downing Vitamin Water and hiding behind monstrous shades? And it was adorable?

And yes! There was a previous Sierra. So I suppose THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE, etc. with all the names and they just pass them along. Dehumanizing, so it makes sense.
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
OH YES YES THEY ARE. I'd forgotten about that! So yes, there are only 26. BUT STILL, 26 IS A LOT. HOW IS SHE SO PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THEM. And I guess if there are 26 it's plausible that Boyd hasn't met some of the handlers yet, even after a few months.

(I thought it was Alpha, like the greek letter, not Alfa, like the ... Romeo?)

My sister and I were looking at the alphabet and thinking about possible dolls, and as it turns out, the name for P is Papa. THAT'S RIGHT — THERE IS A DOLL NAMED PAPA. COME ON, JOSS. TELL ME YOU PUT THAT IN. AND TELL ME IT IS EITHER A TINY TINY GIRL OR A LARGE MAN.
[identity profile] guinny-hamilton.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 11:42 am (UTC)
DUDE YES THIS WAS MY THOUGHT A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO!

There MUST be a doll named Papa!!!!
[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
If they ever come up with the theoretical Papa telling someone "who's your daddy?" I will THROW THINGS AT THE SCREEN.
[identity profile] thunderemerald.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC)
I thought it was Alpha too (LIKE IN A WEREWOLF PACK), but every time I've seen the NATO thing listed, it's spelled Alfa. Oh, who knows.

Oh dude. Papa better be a tiny tiny girl. That would be SO VERY JOSS.
[identity profile] tent-wench.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 6th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)
Thank you for making me want to watch Dollhouse EVEN MORE now. I actually didn't think that was possible. :D
[identity profile] ninamazing.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 7th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
:DDDDDDDDDDDD

MY DARLING, THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.

(do they not play it over there?! OMG! We will have to do something about this.)
[identity profile] ladydreamer.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
This is the only episode I've had a problem with Eliza's acting in, and I wonder if it's because her character is sometimes fakey-fakey wannabe popstar and sometimes a toughass bodyguard. (I have no problem with her saying, girl, or yo, but dreads on white folk ain't right.) Topher spliced two personalities together that don't go. Even worse that she has nothing programed to have to deal with Rayna's emotional issues.

I thought the backhanding was a clear sign of what a douchebag the manager is, and I personally believe he will be unemployed (or hit by a truck) that very night. Rayna does have her diva moments (like flipping out because the Aussie fangirl is at her table), but I think that a lot of her behavior obviously stems from how she's treated and how much she has to compromise to do what she once loved to do.

Rayna doesn't really have anyone on her side. Echo doesn't care much about whether Rayna dies, beyond the directive to protect her. I mean, her priority is obviously Sierra.

The Sierra-Echo vibe at the end floored me. I died of squee.
[identity profile] slayerkate.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 02:31 am (UTC)
I didn't even think about Topher being Xander. I thought he was more like Good Warren, or maybe even Andrew or Jonathan. Victor seems more Xander, to me.
[identity profile] guinny-hamilton.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 8th, 2009 11:41 am (UTC)
YAY! MORE RECAP!!! I love these!

I love how they both just completely lose interest in the conversation. It's like there's a built-in time limit on emotion. Love it.

I actually got from that that someone was watching and that they knew they shouldn't be talking longer than that. I shall rewatch!

Take it from me, Awkward McNerdGirl — even at our lowest we have more self-respect than this.

Heh. Speak for yourself. I have done this, and worse. I feel Joss has ripped off my personality to imprint Ellie with. I'm totally Relatey McRelaterson from Relatingville, North Relatina. The stories I could tell. I'm cringing just thinking about them.

If I were an actor this would be the only kind of scene I would ever want to do. ME, looking completely hot; a gun; a flashlight; mucho chiaroscuro. I beat the shit out of a bunch of trained killers and make it look like a dance.

Don't forget: "and am completely stupid just wandering into an abandoned cellar without apparently thinking that the guy I've threatened into giving me intel could be luring me into a trap." His eagerness to get to the Dollhouse is sort of inhibiting his common sense, I think. Which, honestly? Is awesome. This happens. People are flawed and do stupid things! YAY!

EXPLAIN PLZ. I too am a (relatively) diminutive, hourglass-shaped female: how exactly would it be possible for me to knock the wind out of a GIANT TRAINED MUSCLEMAN in three seconds?

Kneeing him in the groin? It's what I do ;-) Also, you're hourglass-shaped? Rawr.

There isn't even a Minesweeper window open there.

LOL that was exactly what I was thinking! Minesweeper totally rocks!

This is exactly what I was talking about. I don't think this is what friends do. Rayna's scared enough. I JUST DO NOT THINK THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH A SUICIDE THREAT.

Yeah. BUT! The bigger threat was Psycho Dude killing Audra, clearly. What I got from that scene was that this was Echo's plan all along. It was (in her mind) likely the only way to save Audra AND Rayna. It seemed a bit over the top, though ;-)

Whee! Next one up... when?

Am I the only one who thought the psycho dude looked like Jake Gyllenhaal but with all the color washed out and without the pretty?

And I was totally shipping Claire/Boyd. They just had... something. I WANT SCOWLY BABIES!!!

Oh, also, stealing from another comment:
But someone pointed out that there are likely 26 dolls, as so far they all have names from the NATO phonetic alphabet. Echo. Alfa. Sierra.

INTERESTING, NO?


Very interesting. But you have to ask yourself if they're naming them in alphabetical order, and if so, there have obviously been much more than 26 dolls. Victor existed before Sierra (perhaps the other Doll named Sierra died or retired?), and if they're named alphabetically, Echo must have been at the Dollhouse for a really long time... right? Unless she replaced a dead or retired doll... GAH!

This is riveting stuff! I can't wait to see Friday's ep!
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 9th, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
I was okay with the singer getting smacked, but I hate that it came from the manager. I wanted one of the other two backup singers to smack her. You know, considering they could have died. If I were them I'd smack her because of it.

But coming from the manager, considering his role in the singer's life, it was just uncomfortable.
[identity profile] happyhappenings.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2009 04:29 am (UTC)
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